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PostSubject: Ak-47 or M-16?   Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:16 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:49 pm

I have to go with the AK-47. Everyone knows, it's more reliable and lasts longer than the M16, and is less likely to jam in harsh conditions, rather than the M16.
Now I'm sure that the only argument for the M16 users is that the AK-47 is innacurate at long ranges. Yes that is true, but that means I get to get up close and personal. This also means that if I am able to move up without casualty to an M16 user, your dead.
Also, the M16 doesn't have the stopping power to knock someone on their ass. Rather, it just causes pain. The AK-47 WILL kill someone in one shot if placed correctly, be it the heart or the head (everyone always goes for the head).

Now, BECAUSE the AK-47 lasts longer, I will be able to kill more of the M16 users because I have a long time to do it. M16 users have a more limited time, which means if they continue to use the M16 as a standard rifle, they will be constantly replacing their rifles.

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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:24 pm

I have to go with the M16. The Ak-47 may be reliable but it's way too inaccurate. The M16 can also hit an enemy faster and at longer distances. The M16 also didn't gain alot of popularity during the Vietnam War for many reasons. It was mainly because soldier thought that it fired too fast so they tried messing with the springs in the gun, which led to future failure of the weapon. The gun also wasn't treted properly by the soldiers, hurting it's reputation.
The AK-47 is know for its stopping power and reliablity, which I have to give it credit for, but my cousin in the army shot an Ak-47 and said that he would rather have an M4. If the M16 wasn't such a good rifle, then why are more countries around the globe using it over the AK-47? And if the Ak-47 was better then why hasn't the U.S. imported thousands of theminstead of making M16s and M4s?
We have to come down ot this though. The AK-47 is closer to a sub-machine gun while the M16 is closer to a rifle.
Overall, I would go into a battle with the M16.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:15 am

(M4s are not to be included in this argument. Dipstick.)

An opinion from one person just isn't enough. Just because you have someone who says they like the American weaponry better does not make it better than Russian weaponry.
Well, know this, the AK-47 has been in service long before the M16, and the M16 is getting constant upgrades. Why? To make it better, while the AK-47 has stayed the same through it's production.
And Americans don't want to make copies of the M16 because they don't want to waste wood, and would rather use plastic crap.
So say this, if you and I both ran our of ammo with our rifles, you would have a (extremely) CLOSE-COMBAT knife, while I have an AK-47 to bludgeon you with from a farther range. And know this, a soldier during a war had to clean his rifle very often during patrols, but when he picked up an AK-47, he never had to clean it again (credit to Liam Flanagan for providing this information).
Also, (I cannot remember this straightforward), people dug out the body of a Soviet and fired his AK-47, which was in perfect working order. Now, if mud or any kind of substance gets into the barrel of a new M16, it will jam. Now for the AK-47 that has been underground for a good long time, that will not happen because of it's reliability. Reliability is the key.

Now, you can't call AK-47 users lazy because you don't have the better rifle, now can you?

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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:16 pm

First off the M4 is a shoter barreled version of the M16, so I can use it. Another thing is the M16 is changing because it is being made better. If you haven't noticed the AK-47 has other improved versions(the AK-74 and AK-74u). The M16 also uses plastic to make the gun lighter unlike the AK-47. About the AK-47 being buried underground, that is a lie. No gun can sit completly underground for along time and work. The gun would be filled with dirt and worms and everything else. About the M16 breaking, guns are supposed to be treated well, not like some toy. The AK-47 was made reliable becasue of the harsh conditions in Russia(ex: snow, cold climates, etc.). Thye M16 isn't masproduced because the government doesn't want it gettting in the hands of terrorists. You even said yourself that Mikhail Kalashnikov was disapointed when he saw that the AK-47 was in the hands of terrorists. I respect the AK-47 but I like the M16 more.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:07 am

The M4 CANNOT be used because it HAS a shorter barrel. That being said, it is a different gun. AND, the AK-74 and AK-74u are two different guns from eachother, and the AK-47. Get your facts straight.

It's the most effective killing machine in human history - a gun that, on its 62nd birthday, is still killing as many as a quarter of a million people every year, in every corner of the globe. Invented by a gifted tank mechanic to save Russia's motherland from the invading German hordes in WW2, the AK-47 went on to rise to global prominence during the proxy battles of the Cold War. Even today, the most poorly trained militia group becomes a force to be reckoned with once it finds a supply of AK-47s - such is its simplicity, reliability, affordability and sheer killing power. We take a look at this amazing weapon's history, its significance and its brutal dominance of world politics.

Setting aside moral considerations, the definition of a great invention, to me, is one that catches on. One that changes the way things are done, one that has a far wider impact than, perhaps, its inventor ever intended.

Of course, a great invention also needs to be really effective at its purpose. And this invention is a weapon. It was designed to kill people and win wars - a pretty distasteful topic and I hope you can bear with us through some grisly details, because if you can get past that, this is really quite an amazing story.

In terms of effectiveness, the weapon we're looking at is quite probably responsible for more deaths than any other individual model of weapon in human history. Sixty years after it was first launched, this weapon still kills around a quarter of a million people every year.

Beyond that, it has truly changed the course of human history in so many different conflicts that we hardly have time to discuss them. This is a weapon that you can introduce into a war zone, and suddenly David starts beating Goliath. In today's modern warfare, it's the tool that lets "freedom fighter" groups - or "terrorist" groups, depending on whose politics you follow - hold off entire armies of well-trained soldiers packing million-dollar weapons systems. It's the weapon that's making life so tough for the U.S. forces now occupying Iraq and Afghanistan.

It is, of course, Mikhail Kalashnikov's assault rifle: the AK-47.

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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:46 pm

Zach the whole reason the Ak-74u came into existance wa so the Russian military could equip their Airborne (Parachute) divisions with a model of this fine machinery.
The AK-47 is a very effective weapon with great power
It has a very high rate of fire
comes at a very reasonable price.
select-fire
simple to operate, clean, and repair.
If Zach wants an Accurate gun take a look at the Ak-47's brother the Ak-107.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:32 pm

NO. 1 (As Proven by TOP 10)



NO. 2 (Aww, so close. Sucks for you.)



I rest my case. Zach is a child (dazed and confused), and these are experts. Like Zach would say, they are adults, so we should listen to them.

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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:53 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:35 pm

These adults did research. They did not actually fire the weapons. The M-16 and the AK-47 have their pros and cons but in the end the M-16 will emerge on top. The gun is not as reliable and has lower stopping power sure, but the gun is accurate light and shoots faster and farther then the AK-47. It has survived all these years and has conquered the Ak-47 in Iraq and is now pushing into Afganistan. THe M-16 is my weapon of choice. It is currently in use and will be for generations to come. Hands down the M-16 is a great weapon.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:16 pm

They didn't have to fire the guns in order to find out which is the best. Listen to your elders!

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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:57 pm

THe AK-47 is NO.1 because of popularity, not because it is a good gun. That's why the gun needs to be shot.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:33 pm

Zach the Ak-47 is shot more times in one day than M16s are produced.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:53 pm

That is because our weaponry is not as cheap as Russia's.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:09 am

No i mean in a year.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:12 am

I know, it's because we don't give our guns to just anyone. Russia was fooled by alot of countries. I watched something about the AK-47 and the video talked about howe if A country "claimed" they were against America, they would recieve Ak-47s.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:39 am

It's better than keeping M16s in the US. Spread the word of the great AK47!

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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:31 pm

They're just giving guns to countries that could turn against them.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:36 pm

No countries hast the testaclez to turn on Mother Russia, we claim they are a huge threat but we dont attack them either.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:59 pm

That is because we are one of Russia's allies and if we attacked them a nuclear war would emerge.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:29 pm

So Russia has no problems.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:43 pm

I wouldn't say that because we don't live in Russia, so we wouldn't know.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:40 pm

Every country knows that we have problems.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:08 pm

Countries are more concerned about themselves than other countries.
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PostSubject: Re: Ak-47 or M-16?   Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:53 pm

Not us, e seem more concerned about Africa than our economy.
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